The Jurassic Park franchise needs to stop making some dinosaurs impossible to kill and making others expendable

Nascar

It is not my bias with Rexy, i got over it.
The main problem is with other dinosaurs having the same treatment as Rexy, such as Blue and Beta and other crap. While Dinosaurs we only got 1 movie about are thrown out and never cared about, look at the Giganotosaurus, look at Carnotaurus (he was in JWFK but only to be beaten by Rexy), and again Allosaurus who never actually got any good screentime. AND THERE ARE WAY MORE VICTIMS OF THIS CRAP.

Also JW seems very safe, you never actually feel the danger for the humans and even freaking Rexy or Blue, like who thought Rexy died in the fight with Giga? Who thought Blue died from her previous battle with Indoraptor? How the freak did Beta make it out without being incapacitated?
Who the freak though Owen, Claire and Maisie would die from the Indoraptor, even Grant, Sattler and Malcom from the Giganotosaurus, more specifically Malcom cause he threw a freaking stick burning stick in it's mouth.

We need another movie like JP1,JP2,JP3 but yeah you can argue JP3 also did that crap with Spino and the Rex but all they wanted was a new mascot and never did any crap like that again. JW is making excuses so that giant dinosaurs fight all of the darn time, no more terror or horror in place. The first three JP films were awesome cause they used terror. While now it's just attempted horror and ofc Dinosaur fights with the "invincible" dinosaurs against the expendable dinosaurs (insert random theropod similar).

We need something new.

HinikunaGoji

I think this is more of a problem with how they are treated in the narrative. In the original JP none of the Dinos were treated narratively like heroes and villains, but acted like animals. The t rex wasnt actively attacking, it was just a predatory animal, a good example is the hunting gallimimus scene. 

But in the JW films, Rexy is sorta treated as a superhero, always saving the main cast. I know it happened in the original, but even then it feels like more of a coincidence. In the newer films we see long fights with the "good t rex" and "evil dino"

I find it kinda weird that the nature stand in of the stories is siding with humans. 

Its not like that undermines the themes at all.

at least they got behavior for Therizinosaurus right

Cool Godzilla

For once, I would agree with this of how the heroes are always safe and the main characters always win. Unlike Jurassic Park where anything scary could happen but JP could be better.

Cool Godzilla

Impossible to kill, actually how did Rexy survive every attack like Indominus Rex and the Giganotosaurus?

Xenotaris

I believe right now that every Hollywood movie is under the MCU-style of movie making. Every Decade has its trends, just like there was a Matrix-style trend of the 00's, the Jurassic Park trend of the 90's, the Star Wars trend of the 70's and 80's, the James Bond trend of the 60's, the B movies of the 50's, and the detective movies of the 40's

Nascar

Xenotaris

Then your beliefs are not backed up by anything. Jurassic World outcompeted their arch nemesis AVENGERS once out of three times and the other times THEY WERE REALLY CLOSE. So i suggest you search up deeper than making up stuff from your "I hate media" view of the world.

HinikunaGoji

Nascar

Idk where you getting this at all from. Xenotaris Never stated a "I hate media" viewpoint at all and just stated an idea.

Plus isnt it really clear that the MCU has actually has influenced movies recently. A lost of franchises are trying to be Cinematic universes. Even the Dark Universe tried being a thing.

What does the box office have to do with general trends in film making? Just because a different thing beat SOME mcu films (which by the way usually drown out competition) doesnt mean the MCU has not influenced many films this decade.

Nascar

HinikunaGoji

This "i hate media" thing comes from my private chats with him, even in his fanfic he decides to clown on the character who actually uses social media and instead of making it a real character he makes the character addicted to social media. "What does the box office have to do with general trends in film making?" Box office usually shows how many people actual watch it. There ain't no money coming if no one is watching it.
"Plus isnt it really clear that the MCU has actually has influenced movies recently." It really can't do the same for Jurassic World, it really tries to be re-use ideas that were good in the past, it's not inspired by anything.

Xenotaris

Nascar stop being shallow man, you can't judge people on the quality of their fanfictions or what we discussed in confidence. That's disrespectful and rude.
But even though Jurassic World beat Avengers: Age of Ultron. Jurassic World (2015) still felt like a Jurassic Park movie even though it reused a lot of iconic moments from the franchise's past.

What I am talking about is the current state of the franchise from Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom to now is heavily influenced by the MCU because on average since the mid 2010's a MCU movie or Non-MCU Live Action Disney movie tend to always snag the #1 spot at the box office.

We can see the changes in how Jurassic Park movies are made. The story shifted from Man vs Nature to Man and Nature vs Man.

In essence it when from being about Humans trying to survive against a threatening dangerous prehistoric organisms with the rogue human element only being a catalyst. Like Nedry, a disgruntled InGen employee in charge of all of the computer security systems, he was overworked by Hammond; he was in alot of debt and needed financial help. This is why he betrayed Hammond to Biosyn but he wasn't the star villain of the movie, that belong to the predatory dinosaurs. Specifically the Big One, the velociraptor's alpha. A hero killer.

The Lost World's antagonistic human element was Peter Ludlow, he wasn't a villain perse since he had every legal right to Isla Sorna and its dinosaurs since they were their property. It was the heroes that were on the opposite side of the law here. The only character that is somewhat villain-like was Deter Stark but he was a minor character. Also going back to Ludlow, he never tried to kill the main characters nor hold ill will to them. The main threatening force in The Lost World was the Rex family and the velociraptors

Jurassic Park III, the last true Jurassic Park movie or rather done in the familiar Jurassic Park style. The human antagonist element like previous movies were pivotal but they weren't the main threatening force. Billy steals the raptor eggs for to sell them to help fund His and Grant's dig site. This lead to the velociraptors hunting the human protagonists through out the film, along with the spinosaurus.

Jurassic World changed this. Hoskins is the main driving force for the plot, he wanted weaponized dinosaurs and he wanted to see if raptors can be weaponized through being tamed.

Fallen Kingdom, Mills was just evil for sake of being a corrupt corporate executive and was the first human antagonist to kill another human being. 

Dominion, Dodgson another run of the mill human corporate villain that wants to see our non-corporate heroes dead.

Also the good human characters in the Jurassic World trilogy are treated like super heroes given that the newer movies shifted from fighting dinosaurs to fighting humans with agendas

Nascar

Xenotaris

"Nascar stop being shallow man, you can't judge people on the quality of their fanfictions or what we discussed in confidence."

I never said your fanfiction is bad, you just handled one of the characters and made the character a stereotype

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Also the good human characters in the Jurassic World trilogy are treated like super heroes given that the newer movies shifted from fighting dinosaurs to fighting humans with agendas" They were in Jurassic World when that SUPERHERO BOOM HAPPENED LATER. Since Owen is treated like a badass many times yet y'all dismiss that. No one cared about marvel until later dudes. 

And also instead of talking about the MCU reason you brought up stuff that does not matter in this TOPIC. Like complaining about the degrading of movies. Same when i talked about the amalgam testing you kept on bringing the fact that it came later WHICH DOES NOT MATTER.

Xenotaris

I'm fine with the Amalgam Testing being canon but too say that it was lore back even in JP III, yet reject everything from the newer canons is an odd thought process.

Jurassic Park III had a lot of plot threads left open for future Jurassic Park movies to fill in which I think is one of the other reasons why people didn't like it, don't bite my head off for saying this.

the amalgam testing was added in by Fallen Kingdom to explain some of these open plot threads. Jurassic Park III was building up to an unmade Jurassic Park IV which originally was scheduled to be released in 2005.

HinikunaGoji

Can we just take the drama out of this? 

This has just turned onto degrading of each others character.

Xenotaris

sorry about that, 

HinikunaGoji

Monsterzero9

allosaurus had a whole frickin' short film.

Nascar

monsterzero9

Where it was a punching bag for the "peaceful and good" ceratopsians. 

Xenotaris

I felt the interaction between the Natsutoceratops and Allosaurus as natural, what didn't feel natural was the heroic kid to save the day part